London riots

Anyone seeing the sh!t its unreal :O

There slowly spreading to my neck off the woods bunch of absolute cunts Police need f*****g guns!!f**k the rioters, shoot them all dead, their scum gene pool deserves to burn, you're all a f*****g disgrace to this country, if you don't like it here f**k OFF!!

I think that sums up my opinion

Bad day to be an Englishman my nan lives in bethnal green and shes on her own my mum and dad have gone to stay at her house but there are plenty of old defenceless ppl with no one to help not even the police are helping.

/rantover

Its a disgrace IMO.

The police shot an armed guy and people are using it as an excuse to go mental. Get the armed forces in and let em loose. Teargas, waterhoses, armoured vehicles the lot.

Man i wish i was 18 already and could start my police officer training and get over there :@ (I want to be a Police officer)

LOL ghost your from bas vegas? didnt know haha i went to de la salle school

It's messed up. I'm with Viglen on this one.. take out the trash.

Now in Liverpool these scum are spreading like a disease

They cant let the army lose thats the problem...they let them lose we have a situation like in Syria, the government taking unarmed people (for that is what they are) out with tactics meant for fighting a war.



But hell let them lose I would like to see those fuckers take on a bunch of squadies, with a Warrior or Chally backing them up, hell every soldier is given the training for this let them earn their pay even if they wont be deployed

Its abit Confusing at the moment! the Police are SCUM! Police brutality does exist and they do think there GOD'S..

To be Honest the Student protesters were just as bad as these lads!
Personally i hope the police get caught out on this and slammed!

FTL!

And rioting will not solve a single problem, I use to go to school in Clapham, very close to were that mask shop and the was burnt down, it is very shocking to see an area I use to know so well. Right now I simply want an end to all this madness and the full extent of the law applied against looters. Police brutality will be nothing like it was a 100 years ago Scotty, Absouteley shocking, I hope that none of these continue its an absolute disgrace to our nation.

Indeed, the student protesters were just as bad, but they at least had a vague cause. The police shot an ARMED man. why was he armed. Oh dear, lets all mourn the loss of this idiot.

These rioters are f*****g idiots. laying waste to their own and others communities, and for what? Free f*****g trainers? What is their cause????? If they weren't in the UK the govt would have shot them all by now. Just take a look at the middle east right now....

I ride through Hackney every day, within half a mile of the epicentre. I couldn't see much this morning, apart from the lack of traffic. Errie, it was like Sunday morning.

There's extra police patrols out, further to the edge of town. I reckon the cops have been up all night, cos some we're sneaking a quick nap in the back of the wagons.

When I got to work, I went to my favorite cafe for brekie. My mate Omar who runs it, was upset. During the night, their were burning buses outside his house. The residents have now got grab bags, in case it kicks off again and they have to run.

Looking at the news this morning, you'd think it was the Gaza strip! They burn't Hackney, Croydon, Ealing. Jesus, it looks like the Blitz FFS!

The problem is, the shits just worked out they can get away with anything. Theirs not enough cops to deal with it, their completely outnumbered. I hope it doesn't happen again, but I fear it will. And people are gonna get killed.

These twats have no business in society. I want them gone, removed, thrown out of the country. I want to ring their scrawny necks for what they've done. I've worked in this city for most of my career, I've never seen the like.

Who the f**k do they think they are!!

http://news.sky.com/home/london-riots-gallery-of-pictures-of-rioters-and-cars-and-buildings-on-fire-hackney-croydon/media-gallery/16046186

It's hardly a social revolution. People are smashing up local independent traders just round the corner (I live in Mile End). Talking about shitting in your own backyard.
Any real reason has quickly been lost under the swathe of idiots joining in just to get a free pair of trainers.

Like the dopey twit I am I left the house at 8 last night to get fish and chips, and came across about 15 guys divvying up clothes right in the middle of the street from a small clothes shop.
The guy who owns that place is a lovely bloke and I just hope to hell his insurance premium is up to date as otherwise he is going straight out of business. There isn't even a sock left in there this morning.

Just to lighten the mood slightly, here's something that I believe is more effective than a police cavalry charge:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2011/aug/09/london-riots-london

Damn immigrants, coming over here and defending our boroughs.

Jay Scott wrote:To be Honest the Student protesters were just as bad as these lads!

But the protest then had a valid reason. Hell, I was even there!

Some small time gangster got shot by Police (after firing a shot himself) and got killed. Like that doesn't happen 24/7 in America? They don't have riots all the time.

Just read the BBC news. Apparently the Army IS going to be one option they are considering. Now that will become interesting, seeing most people DO respect the armed forces.

jesus..i used to work in peckham and clapham junction last year..almost not recognizing them now...wth is going up there??

The police and indeed the government are on the back foot over this.

There needs to be a swift and very firm reply to stamp this out now. I don't necessarily believe the Armies the best answer, that's opening up a whole new can of worms, upping the stakes.

However, this is bigger than the Met Police, they may not have any choice but to call in the army.

I hope they do.


England needs to balls up a a bit, as a country. f**k what the EU says, you behave like an animal you than surrender a bit of your human rights and deserve to get the s**t outta you. There's no reason for 80% of these roits, just looting like this is f*****g Somalia.

I think every police force should be mobilized and maybe even some with actual ammunition.

I can't believe people would even dare to bitch about someone dying from these riots, why the f**k would you even be out if the only reason is to cause trouble?!

Sounds strange but I really do hope it escalates, and some proper action can be taken.

UPDATE:

There will be 16,000 police on the streets of London this evening.

It will either quieten down, or they'll be running battles...

...I hope it settles.

Yeah and what are 16k coppers going to do if they aren't allowed to use violence? The people they are up against are tossing molotovs, using shanks and knifes and bats and anything they can find.

I'd really hate to be in the shoes of one of the police officers this evening, knowing you most likely can't do s**t about what's going to happen.

What's wrong with water cannons, tear gas, and rubber bullets? They were designed for situations like this.

You can see it in the footage, these guys know the police can't do s**t. It's ridiculous.

EDIT: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065
Any legitimate grievance went out the window a LONG time ago, what d**kheads!

Urm, it just got a bit closer to home.

Apparantly we just heard its kicked off at Hatton Garded round the corner from work. The shutters just got lowered on the front of the office. s**t, hope my bikes gonna be ok!?

...oh, and the wifes just reveresed the car into a bollard.... ...oh bollox!

Once it's all calmed down.. The P*GS sorry police will be smashing through doors like raging bulls the tramps that can't afford trainys will be arrested and all the rest of it!

And hopefully we will find out what really happened at the shooting! ( apparently the bullet that was fired at the police radiator was a police bullet )

Apparantly, the round passed through the deceased and hit the officers radio, who was standing on the other side.

Bring out the tear gas and truncheons I say. We've got some of the best riot training in the world. Let's put that s**t to use.

Regardless of what happened in the shooting and whether the police did indeed use excessive force or the guy deserved it, rioting is not the answer. There is a reason the IPCC exists, to investigate and bring justice in these very situations.

This is just bullshit bandwagoning by a bunch of bored morons. Attacking normal peoples homes, businesses and property, to get some free stuff. Shows you how retarded they are, destroying their OWN communities

capitan wrote:Regardless of what happened in the shooting and whether the police did indeed use excessive force or the guy deserved it, rioting is not the answer. There is a reason the IPCC exists, to investigate and bring justice in these very situations.

This is just bullshit bandwagoning by a bunch of bored morons. Attacking normal peoples homes, businesses and property, to get some free stuff. Shows you how retarded they are, destroying their OWN communities

This would be great if the IPCC worked. But it has been repeatedly shown to be too slow, too bureaucratic and too ineffectual. But let's be honest, this isn't really about that guy getting shot. As you said in your second paragraph, It's idiots seeing their chance and taking it.

sugnat wrote:They cant let the army lose thats the problem...they let them lose we have a situation like in Syria, the government taking unarmed people (for that is what they are) out with tactics meant for fighting a war. ...

You do them a disservice. The British Army's quite well trained in civil order operations actually.

Bang2Rights wrote:Apparantly, the round passed through the deceased and hit the officers radio, who was standing on the other side.

Oh, that's interesting. Where'd you find that out?

In my neck of the woods there was bit of a scuffle up near Barnet Coroner's Court (where the coroner's court for the inquest is being held) with police chasing down a group of people. Other than that it's quiet here, though I can see smoke from Tottenham way.

However this all ends Boris and parliment are going to have to explain why this entire situation was handled so badly. Did anyone see when Boris went to Clapham junction? Civi's were asking simple questions "where were the police" etc and he had absolutely no response.

Now I understand the police are stretched, but the entire situation has been a disaster from a strategic and organization point of view.

.... f**k it, send in the AC130

Scotty, you still wondering who's to blame for this? I can't believe ur against the police on this xD

Ill always be against the Police mate! av said enough on this thread anyway..

Oh gosh, we must protest about Police abuse... Let's do this by looting all the trendy shops on our high street.

Wankers

deadly22sniper wrote:

sugnat wrote:They cant let the army lose thats the problem...they let them lose we have a situation like in Syria, the government taking unarmed people (for that is what they are) out with tactics meant for fighting a war. ...

You do them a disservice. The British Army's quite well trained in civil order operations actually.

Deadly, I'm in/joining the army mate, I've even done some of the training that would help in this matter, but I wasn't questioning their training I was merely stating that if we send the army in there would/could be international outrage at the use of excessive force, which no matter which way we look at it as soon as these looters get what coming to them (weather it be a bobbies trunchon or a squadies fist) they are gona go screaming to the lawyers claiming its breaching their human rights, ect. But you get the picture cause no matter what happens regarding this, there are gona be some lawyers that will attempt to make a fortune over sueing the government if one of their little shi...I mean clients so much as grazes his knee.



Another reason why the Government (labour that is) screwed us over, nothing gets done cause they don't want to risk offending the minority so the majority suffer.

deadly22sniper wrote:
You do them a disservice. The British Army's quite well trained in civil order operations actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMy8pxxfeCU&feature=related

I am not comparing those two incident but like Sug said, deploying army against rioters can end up very badly.
Can you imagine would be the consequences if even one deadly shot from army was fired during recent nights in London...(?)

like the situation in our city centers at the moment this thread is getting out of hand and is serving little purpose other than to vent half baked opinions.
in the UK we value individual human rights which in such circumstances might seem unfashionable in the present climate but would any single one of us have it any other way ? of course we wouldn't.
one of the major problems we are facing with this situation is the public's confusion over police methodology, it is not the modern police way to further inflame situations such as rioting and as such in certain areas vigilantism has taken hold ironically resulting in 3 deaths last night in Birmingham (which appears to be an anti rioter running over 3 people that were standing on the end of their street defending said street)
this present outburst of civil disobedience stems from several areas of current British social trends, children being brought up by young women who were little more than children themselves when they had their baby, a home life for many of these youngsters that makes incarceration no big deal (Britain already imprisons many many more youngsters than any other developed country in the world).
these factors have been growing nationwide for decades and are generally not political in nature but cultural, for instance in the 1970's and 80's people were concerned with the growth of single parent families but run away fathers weren't confronted, in the 90's and 2000's the rise in teenage pregnancy was highlighted but again the situation was highlighted but nothing was actually done, now we are reaping the harvest of this inaction.
there is no easy fix for any of this and remember this, the net outcome of all this will be yet more children in British prisons.
hardly something to be proud of.

An interesting read - http://rosamicula.livejournal.com/540476.html

The Army wouldn't be carrying fire arms, they'd be tooled up in riot gear and battons.

I see also the PM following the COBRA (insert laugh here) meet said, they have given the Police the means to deploy water cannon with 24hrs notice. Batton rounds have also been given the go ahead.

In short, the police have been told they can use any reasonable means to stop further disturbances.

P.s. Cap, I just finnished reading the article you posted.

Thanks for that, awsome read. Recomended.

Another different view
http://richardjacksonterrorismblog.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/why-i-riot/
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201189105816840954.html#.TkHHVOH_qrQ.facebook

Jevski wrote:Another different view
http://richardjacksonterrorismblog.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/why-i-riot/
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201189105816840954.html#.TkHHVOH_qrQ.facebook

Interesting stuff.

AND ANOTHER Different view

Pat Condell's a little too right wing for my liking.

deadly22sniper wrote:Pat Condell's a little too right wing for my liking.

+1


"In some places it seems like every 2nd 14 year old is walking around
with a gun jammed into a belt worn half way down to his knees"

hyperbole much?

deadly22sniper wrote:Pat Condell's a little too right wing for my liking.

This dude is so full of anger if not to say sh!t... He ate so much sarcasm and cynicism than now he vomits it in almost every sentence. How do you talk with some one like this ? ...any way you end up feeling dirty.

I find him hilarouis.

TROLL to the max!

I like what he says, but it has no direction..he is just stating things.



Its a news show with an opinion (FOX news and friends much?) and theres nothing more than that to pat condell. Credit where it's due though, he does brush off the "social norm" that were all supposed to abide by and never talk of and can sweep away the obvious excuses made by "officials" and "experts".

Bownty wrote:Its a news show with an opinion (FOX news and friends much?) and theres nothing more than that to pat condell. Credit where it's due though, he does brush off the "social norm" that were all supposed to abide by and never talk of and can sweep away the obvious excuses made by "officials" and "experts".

I watched few of his videos and I hope to never see his face again. Hes like an infant who try everything to attract a little bit of attention to himself. Maybe he touches some controversial stuff and taboo hear and there but he can't present even one reasonable solution, all hes got is this bulky, sensles, deprived of eloquence sarcasm . Don't get me wrong, I like sarcasm but I would prefer to watch some old episodes of Fawlty Towers than listening to this old pawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4&feature=related