One of my best rounds :)

Soo. i deside to do some cas with the bh...

(got you there. didnt I , no this is NOT a thread about if the bh should be used as cas or not, just me telling how awesome, Me, MrPuddingFace, and ofcause other dear leader Bemetson!)

Round started with us 3 sitting in main bitching about how all the retarded inf sq´s didnt use us, and went out with there cars and logictrucks. But that all changed, when we started playing a bit differently. With Bemetson as a medic, we went out and got hole sq´s up again. (technely doing transport and drops)

All in all a really good round, the only time where we wasent doing other job, was just after we took some techi fire, and i desided to say hello to a tree, so we had to rush back to base, and leave Rob_something_ with his 1 team8, to be slaughted alive! (this was not because of a cas run, we had just delivered a crate to... well cant remember )

Hope you all enjoyed this round as much as i did, here you have some Screenshots of the best player of the round with his awesome 0-0 score


(just because i cant help my self... How many kiovas went down that round? its the bh thats landing in the hot zones.. kiowas are just flying over )

So you saying you did medie vac dropping in a medic to revive squads using the black hawk as clear and top cover. Seamed to work. But technically against the rules.

Sounds like rule bending lol but good skills all the same! I've seen it done before a Medivac BH, good times

Awesome round of awesomeness. I was the Squad Leader and the medic of the BH squad so put me in charge of any penalties considering the BH CAS. Whenever a squad got killed by a bomb car we got to their location, I jumped out and revived them. We had also mrpudding with combat engineer kit to repair humvees we might come across but none showed up. We simply did evac stuff and supported inf whenever we got a call. And all the thanks goes to Koustroup, our skilled BH pilot who didn't crash at all (we did hug a tree at one point due to side wind) and got some bombcars destroyed with the BH.

I won't lie,


seems like a pretty exciting way to use the BH :3

That sounds awesome. I don't think that it's breaking any rules, is it? It sounds like it's being used for medivac, transport and logistics, and not the dreaded BH CAS.
And honestly, seems like something right up my ally. Sounds fun as hell. Any tips, tricks on how to work this kind of a squad? (so that if this happens more than once we don't end up wasting tickets because of BH waste)

Bemetson wrote:combat engineer kit to repair humvees.

You cant repair humvees whit combat engineer.

Yes you can.

Fix-o-spanner man to the rescue!

when a humvee is damaged, all that happens is the nuts n bolts come a bit loose. so the spanner can fix it right up, good as new!

That is a very good way to use the BH. That must save lots of tickets in the long term.

Indeed, especially when a squad got hit by a bomb car and had no enemies around (even if it did we would circle around the target area for 20 seconds before moving in) we just landed there and revived all other while BH kept watching the perimeter.

Very impressive. How did the blackhawk cover whilst the medic healed people? Just hovering in the air with the guns or rotating around?

JToTheDog wrote:That sounds awesome. I don't think that it's breaking any rules, is it? It sounds like it's being used for medivac, transport and logistics, and not the dreaded BH CAS.
And honestly, seems like something right up my ally. Sounds fun as hell. Any tips, tricks on how to work this kind of a squad? (so that if this happens more than once we don't end up wasting tickets because of BH waste)

You will need a skilled pilot to do this and a good team. Don't be afraid to use mumble and ask people about enemy positions, quad gun activity and technical positions. Take into account the possibility of enemy anti-aircraft units on the ground.

Tell your pilot what altitude he has to fly in: if you suspect techkies in the area fly low by the tree line. If you think you are clear, tell the pilot to raise altitude 20 - 30 units (if you're flying low) to see better around.

The BH was used little as CAS since we did circle around targets and shoot them down with the miniguns but this was used mostly to cover a squad or cover a rescue operation. When circling around targets your pilot need to know which sidegun you're mounting (unless you have two sidegunners) so he would know how to circle the target or you can tell him to circle clock- or counterclockwise. Bear in mind that circle your target no more than 30 seconds as most probably pinned enemy units are calling reinforcement to take you down.

Mumble is your best friend: as you spot targets (inf, technical, hideout, cache) on the ground you may call in mortars in the position or inform to the team so they would know the threats. Well, as a supportive BH, in your squad you would be Combat Engineer / Medic as a SL, have another guy to have Combat Engineer / Medic (you should have both boarding the BH) and the pilot flying BH. It's up to the team to mark down the targets as you wont have SL kit at any time (unless you wanna assign a spotter in your squad who would only put markers and spot but thats a little boring job isn't?).

When you are the medic or the other guy, always remember to check the map constantly to know what is happening on the map. If you see people dying constantly in one location, keep ears open for Mumble SL as someone might be swearing about a large enemy concentration. This means lots of different weaponry to be used in the perimeter and you shouldn't move into the area. Always keep the safety of BH as primary.---------If you see people die instantly in one area and see that one squad has lost all it's units, call them in Mumble to see whether they are in Mumble or not. If they are (or you know they are), ask them their status. If they confirm that a bomb car blew up at their location and there is no infantry, move in ASAP and revive them all. Your BH shall be giving overwatch or return to base. If you have contact below, circle your target 10 - 15 seconds shooting down everything you see, then move in to revive and BH keep suppressing targets.

(Remember to keep circling with BH and NOT to STOP and HOVER in the air. This makes you vulnerable for accurate fire and may make your aircraft to be in the greatest danger. Your pilot shall know how to circle around the target, making it easier for you to lead your bullets to your target. By watching your tracers and by practice you will know where to aim with that minigun. Take into account weapon overheating and limited ammunition which can be refilled at helipad. When you come across with some hostiles below, mark the target with attack marker (you are the SL) and tell the pilot that you have enemies below. If you come in contact with bomb car, tell your pilot where the bomb car is, how far, how is it moving (direction), which way your pilot should turn for you to have the gun pointed towards the target. Attacking or pursuing a vehicle is the ONLY exception for hovering above your target WHEN it's necessary.)

Oh yeah, don't forget to inform the team that the BH has medical services as well as repair services available, since damaged humwees are more likely to be in panic than calling out for repairs. Tell your team you have a Combat Engineer boarding the BH ready to do repairs in the field when called for. ===> M0@R pointz!

Now hope this wall of text was useful. Feel free to disagree with me.

CommandoXVI wrote:Very impressive. How did the blackhawk cover whilst the medic healed people? Just hovering in the air with the guns or rotating around?

We circled/rotated around. Never hover when you are engaging infantry, makes them shoot you like you were a large target marker for them.

unfortunately it was me who had to experience the tree hugging on my own skin sometimes Iam so lucky.luckily you managed to drop a crate so I could heal up myself. Anyway I got sniped 30 seconds after I finaly healed myself up with the bandages (it took like 5 minutes) (((((((()))))))So that was a minor fail + that guy forgotten in the field on your otherwise epic engagement

Universal_Anvil wrote:unfortunately it was me who had to experience the tree hugging on my own skin sometimes Iam so lucky.luckily you managed to drop a crate so I could heal up myself. Anyway I got sniped 30 seconds after I finaly healed myself up with the bandages (it took like 5 minutes) (((((((()))))))So that was a minor fail + that guy forgotten in the field on your otherwise epic engagement

Of course we managed to drop a crate. We did take account your situation and too bad the tree branch had to hit you in the face. BH security and the safetyness of the crew was my primary concern as techkies tried to hunt us down.

lets do it again next time. take me on and lets try to play the BH the way you described (medicopter+repair service) plus demolition team to be dropped off on unknown (landing safe) cache locations. Imagine how epic it would be if an engi plants c4 on the unknown, makes it to the BH under its suppressive fire and detonates the c4 safely on board of the leaving chooper.....

I would advise against getting the BH that close to a cache, known or unknown.

Otherwise, sounds epic.

Universal_Anvil wrote:lets do it again next time. take me on and lets try to play the BH the way you described (medicopter+repair service) plus demolition team to be dropped off on unknown (landing safe) cache locations. Imagine how epic it would be if an engi plants c4 on the unknown, makes it to the BH under its suppressive fire and detonates the c4 safely on board of the leaving chooper.....

There are no "safe" landing zones around any cache. Even if there would be no-one at an unknown cache, it would be very unlikely for BH to spot a cache, unknown or known since they are usually located in cover. Even if we would do recon flying we would most propably stumble against enemy patrol. I never order my BH to intentionally go past friendly line of support for recon flying. And if the team would spot an unknown cache, it would be infantry who'd discover it first. Then we move in with support or to support. Don't be too heroic, doing simple things like destroying cache will require effort from the team, not a single BH

One of the main things to get when you are reading Bemetson´s long and epic post is. YOU NEED A SKILLED pilot.

and yeah. the bh will never land that close to the cache, way to dangerous with all that RPG and most likely techies in the area. And i heard some stories about the c4 sticking to the bh when dropped by the engenieer. So thats a no go also.

Thanks for Great leading Bemetson, I would not have been able to pull it off without you

I think your all missing the point of this thread, I have the most kills on the server. i thank you

P-koustrup wrote:One of the main things to get when you are reading Bemetson´s long and epic post is. YOU NEED A SKILLED pilot.

and yeah. the bh will never land that close to the cache, way to dangerous with all that RPG and most likely techies in the area. And i heard some stories about the c4 sticking to the bh when dropped by the engenieer. So thats a no go also.

Thanks for Great leading Bemetson, I would not have been able to pull it off without you

Always glad to lead the BH squad when you're operating it. One of the best BH pilots NwA has to offer! :

yeah, lets not try to do anything stupid with the BH, like going for cache.
The medivac/repair/logi thing you had going seems both fun and usable. I would love to try it out with you sometime as I am a pretty good medic.

well i wouldn't be me if i didn't have some criticisms.....firstly, i was one of the 'idiot' infantry squads that 'rushed off' but tell me how you can airlift my CROWS Humvee and i'll be mighty impressed.....secondly, you used an engineer kit to NO useful end, could of done with that on a couple of occasions......thirdly, the Black hawk on kokan is just so much eye candy, leave it in main and do something useful for your team instead of playing for transport earned points.....fourthly your stupid door gunner shot up my squad, luckily with no permanent damage....Fifth, we lost the round, i wouldn't personally rate a loss as a 'great round'....other than that great job guys.......

speedhound1-WYD- wrote:well i wouldn't be me if i didn't have some criticisms.....firstly, i was one of the 'idiot' infantry squads that 'rushed off' but tell me how you can airlift my CROWS Humvee and i'll be mighty impressed.....secondly, you used an engineer kit to NO useful end, could of done with that on a couple of occasions......thirdly, the Black hawk on kokan is just so much eye candy, leave it in main and do something useful for your team instead of playing for transport earned points.....fourthly your stupid door gunner shot up my squad, luckily with no permanent damage....Fifth, we lost the round, i wouldn't personally rate a loss as a 'great round'....other than that great job guys.......

Every one has their own role in the team speed... we just happened to be the one who rescued a squad couple times, delivered supplies, spotted enemy positions and hideout and my squad member spotted a cache. We didn't use the engineer kit as we thought we would've, maybe cause we didn't inform anyone about possibility for repairing but we learned our lesson of that. If you had a great demand for the kit, why didn't you simply ask my guy to your location to use it? And it was me who shot towards your squad but didn't target it, my finger just slipped. Feel free to punch me in the face for that ^^. We did lose the round which was quite sad since we were so close to victory but losing a round and winning a round is based on many factors. I hope you just don't blame it on us... but yea, thanks for the honest thoughts my friend

"
(Remember to keep circling with BH and NOT to STOP and HOVER in the
air. This makes you vulnerable for accurate fire and may make your
aircraft to be in the greatest danger. Your pilot shall know how to
circle around the target, making it easier for you to lead your bullets
to your target. By watching your tracers and by practice you will know
where to aim with that minigun. Take into account weapon overheating and
limited ammunition which can be refilled at helipad. When you come
across with some hostiles below, mark the target with attack marker (you
are the SL) and tell the pilot that you have enemies below. If you come
in contact with bomb car, tell your pilot where the bomb car is, how
far, how is it moving (direction), which way your pilot should turn for
you to have the gun pointed towards the target. Attacking or pursuing a
vehicle is the ONLY exception for hovering above your target WHEN it's
necessary.)"

"The BH was used little as CAS since we did circle around targets and shoot
them down with the miniguns but this was used mostly to cover a squad or
cover a rescue operation. When circling around targets your pilot need
to know which sidegun you're mounting (unless you have two sidegunners)
so he would know how to circle the target or you can tell him to circle
clock- or counterclockwise"

How does this differ from using the BH as cas?

Just because you call it something different, the intend and the executed action is the same as CAS. Circling the target and fire.

BH mission is go from A to B, drop crates and infantry, nothing else.

We cannot as Nwa members start to graze the grey line.
Pubbies will notice NwA doing this, and think they can do the same. Or start complaining that we are under a different set of rules.

Jevski wrote:"
How does this differ from using the BH as cas?

Just because you call it something different, the intend and the executed action is the same as CAS. Circling the target and fire.

BH mission is go from A to B, drop crates and infantry, nothing else.

We cannot as Nwa members start to graze the grey line.
Pubbies will notice NwA doing this, and think they can do the same. Or start complaining that we are under a different set of rules.

My thoughts, mate.
refering to THIS THREAD

oh well. i guess that is another thing i need to be doing on another server... i really hate that we need to have pubbies on hehe.

Just to be clear. it is the circling, and shooting that is the problem, can we still use it as medicwac? - i dont know if you heard Bemetson. but he had the map under perfect control, he knew everthing, so when we moved in, we wasent really in any danger. just clearing up some lose ends, and making sure that when we land, the ins, would be afraid (ofcause are we always in danger when leaving main. )

Harsh rule!

But rules are rules.. Everytime am on kokan and the BH is being used from A2B only! like the way Jevski puts it.. It always gets Fked over (ALWAYS)

So the risk is always there no matter how its used!

Sometimes you can be over cautious.

P-koustrup wrote:oh well. i guess that is another thing i need to be doing on another server... i really hate that we need to have pubbies on hehe.

Just to be clear. it is the circling, and shooting that is the problem, can we still use it as medicwac? - i dont know if you heard Bemetson. but he had the map under perfect control, he knew everthing, so when we moved in, we wasent really in any danger. just clearing up some lose ends, and making sure that when we land, the ins, would be afraid (ofcause are we always in danger when leaving main. )

To comment on this, this is what I did:

Check the map frequently and see if any friendlies were down. If so, think about all the possibilities how they could've died to be not surprised by the enemy if we decided to pass by the area. Take into account the number of casualties and how fast did they fall in battle and in what area as this tells you the strenght of enemy units. Check the map and see the surroundings of the target area: see if there are buildings or open area and judge which kind of weaponry might have been used (eg. hear techkie firing or big explosion during the happening). Also contact the squad via mumble or team chat and get confirmation of enemy activity in the vicinity or any other notes of hostile activity. With no confirmation of targets, never go to the area as to me the safety of BH is my priority. And if we were in any danger, we knew what would lie ahead and we knew how to react to it and the crew was all the time 100% alert of our surroundings.

P.S. We worked together as part of the team with infantry and didn't go lonewolfing. We did our best to give the best support BH had to offer.

@Jevski
--To answer your question, how the BH differed when used as such manner, CAS is supposed to eliminate it's targets and strike when they are called. We simply didn't come to gun when we were called but we circled around our targets only during any evac or rescue operations as I stated before. During evac or rescue operation my BH should always be in stand-by to move in ASAP when needed. And when the BH is fired upon it shall fire back to protect itself or to protect the infantry below who are in need of help.

But I wont argue anymore about this BH being used as CAS, the rules are rules and I apologize for bending them. I have shown bad attitude towards the clan and disgrace to the code of conduct.

Just a quick question.

If the real problem is that if the bh goes down, no one will be able to get transported around.

Simple solution to this, would be for the bh sq, to pick up 2 humvees, and then be on standby to drive in, rescue and get out. and if the sq need a crate, well bring a supply. 2 humvees should be able to protect the logic from most attacks.

Yes the Bh can bring it in faster, but we are talking 1-2 min faster. in most cases.

I dont want to bend the rules. I just want to have fun playing PR.

look what i did, turned it into a "bh as cas" tread again. darn :/ (again, i understand the rules, and i will play by them to my best knowledge.

jev i don't think he meant 'target' as meaning 'enemy' target, more as 'mission' target. i don't think they did anything wrong or bent the rules but i do think they could have done a bit more mathematics to their plan, for instance, they drop down on a mission target, heal 1 or 2 people and then get shot down ? the sums don't add up, you lose a squad, a chopper for 2 tickets ? but overall i don't think they broke any rules or even bent any.

Yay

Nah, ill just start bending and breaking rules.

Ill just find the right excuse to do so.

You no what id do just to end this Fking BH nonsense! - Take kokan out the rotation..

Yep, lets take out all maps with choppers on it.
Just to be sure, lets make all maps inf. maps with no assets

and then tie the boot laces together! muhahaha!

Maybe we should just lay down on the ground all the round so we cant break/bend rules.
And ofcource you cant use mumble/ts/ingame-chat

I'm going to create a military police squad which will maintain law and order. Everyone who breaks the server rules is going to get detained! :

Hey thats all enjoy some RL BH close air support

https://youtu.be/SbA5O6ULcGI

IRL insurgents are too poor to buy handheld AA so they can use blackhawk as CAS.

Anyway nice video, we gotta get some night maps in PR.

Come on kids, I`m not going to comment on some of the above post but then again I will. You should know better.

CAS= Close Air Support.
BH in PR isnt intended to be used as attack chopper and is not capable of performing a CAS role properly.

The rule on using BH as CAS is NO IT ISNT ALLOWED. It falls into this rule,

DO NOT WASTE/MISS USE ASSETS & DO NOT LEARN TO FLY HERE.
We consider waste/miss use to mean any asset used for anything other than it's intended purpose eg. trans helicopters should not be used as gun platforms

If you need to drop a medic into a area then fine. You drop you leave. If there isnt enough cover for the medic to do his job then the pilot should not drop him there. Staying and providing top cover isnt in the spirit of game play v Reality. Loosing the BH is to valuble for the rest of the team. This time you was lucky and kept it in the air. More of a noob ins team than a good pilot as 1 techy can take down a BH in no time.

The guns on the BH are for personal protection of the helicopter when landing troops or supplys. If the LZ is to hot you do not drop.

Putting the BH at to much risk and loosing it for any one else for the next 15-20mins until it respawns isnt acceptable.

Clan members should not bend the rules to suit them and then in the next round enforce a rule that a pubber is bending. It is not the way we work. 1 rule for every one.

Clan members should know the rules inside and out. Be it Crow humvee, Trans heli`s, squad name assets etc etc. THE RULES ARE THERE FOR A REASON.

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Let me make things clear for you all, No one should be bending / breaking rules that goes especially for clan members and admins, let me remind you all once again https://nwa-clan.darkbb.com/t2668-nwa-clan-members-code-of-conduct#23475

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