Zeitgeist: Moving Forward

The "Zeitgeist"-movies had been allways serious stuff to think about.
This is the third of now three movies named "Moving Forward".
Allmost 3 hours, but well spent (imo)

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Movie-length, 30 languages in subtitles on youtube.



If i double-post it: i searched the forum unable to find it!

Resources based economy together with aware and inteligent upbringing looks like very good idea but somehow I can't believe it will be without influence of politics as Peter Joseph thinks. I have a feeling that his intentions aren't that altruistic but maybe it is just my obsesion with names. Wouldn't the scientists become a new elite who have to decide for all?

Thx, alchemist.

Yes, they would decide much. But based on facts, not on ideology, religion or anything else. Like he said: a research can be doublicated and proven as right or wrong. If its wrong, they will change. Thats the intend. If there's no monetary appeal, there's no need to manipulate or dominate people.

I don't know if he's right or not... there are wiser men than me

But now you do the thing that the "Zeitgeist"-producers want you to:
You think!

Chris_Kampfgurke wrote:Thx, alchemist.

Yes, they would decide much. But based on facts, not on ideology, religion or anything else. Like he said: a research can be doublicated and proven as right or wrong. If its wrong, they will change. Thats the intend. If there's no monetary appeal, there's no need to manipulate or dominate people.

I don't know if he's right or not... there are wiser men than me

But now you do the thing that the "Zeitgeist"-producers want you to:
You think!

They would control all as every aspect of life would be subjected to their science... and I wonder would they be as respected as Albert Einstein who was nothing but a fraud and yet admired by masses. A research might be duplicated if you got resources to do so. Who else would have control over resources other than owners of the paradigm? I am afraid you over simplifying issues concerning monetary system and it is not true! whats stated in Zeitgeist, that money equals debt. Debt is purely generated by means on which money enters circulation as it is borrowed on interest. Usury is the worst crime against mankind yet everywhere legal. It is not money that made man feel need for power but it is that need responsible for money being used to manipulate and dominate. I am not sure that absence of money would be impacting that much on human behavior but I recall, in history shortage in supply of money always ended catastrophic for common people. Perhaps part of our life is symbolic and we need symbols like that to function. How limiting ones economical freedom will benefit people who would like to acquire goods without so needed scientific approval of wiser than yourself? With honesty, when you got money what stops you from generosity, is there anything specific that blurs vision on common good and prosperity? Actually I am rather sure that Zeitgeist producers would like me to think differently than I do about few things and don't get me wrong but it is not like I never used my brain before I watched it... Or is it? What I am saying is just that it makes me suspicious when people aren't completely honest and put things in a way that feels like they wish to give certain direction to your thinking. It is specially disturbing when game goes about control on world resources.

Alchy, ever seen the acronym TL,DR ?

loool

much like a 3 hour long diatribe, ? TL,DW hehe (where W=watch)

money is a work metaphor and cannot be un-invented unless its proposed that people, families or clans become self sufficient once more, however what about specialsts ? do you not have to pay for specialism that can't work towards self sufficiency themselves ? or do people think the shoe maker should starve ? (even though you need his produce to work your fields in first instance ?)

as for scientists ruling the world all i'll say is if that were to happen everyone would be induced/enslaved to making chocolate cake for this is their staple diet. (TRUE)

PS
i dont think that producing a fitting theory about light being manipulated by gravity is that fraudulent tbh

lighten up guys, the world isn't that bad a place, its just hard to make that judgement whilst self important modern media ram the opposite down our throats ???

speed

Alchy, i didn't mean to offend you, buddy. When i said "you think" i left out "... about the topic".

Its hard for me to follow, since im not english, but i get the point.
True, the film gives you a direction to think to, but so does ALL media. Believe me or not, i do not agree with all facts in the movie.
I don't believe it would be possible to kill the term "property", or to un-invent money.
And so i think evryone will "missuse" the might to rule peoplpe, even with best intentions, cuz you can't do it right to evryone.

@ speed: nobody should starve, the idea tells about supliing evryone equal no matter his tasks.

Don't label me as a non-thinking anarchist just arguing with our system, i just liked the movie. Its an Artwork criticizing our society.
It just shows a different way to the now runing system. Not the TRUE way or the BEST... but different. Noting more.

peace
Chris

Wait, why is Einstein a fraud now?

I found Zeitgeist interesting but ultimately flawed. Which is a shame as bits of it are great

There's so many errors and unproven and unsourced 'facts' in there that it became extremely frustrating to watch.
It was a shame they couldn't focus on the 10% interesting ideas they had instead of the 90% bullshit.

Also, a film telling you to 'think', is not only incredibly patronising but also incredibly hypocritical when if follows up that statement with another saying how you're supposed to think.

Stealthgato wrote:Wait, why is Einstein a fraud now?

I'd also like an answer to this alchy

same. lol, watching it now.

capitan wrote:

Stealthgato wrote:Wait, why is Einstein a fraud now?

I'd also like an answer to this alchy

It is dangerous ground to thread for any young mind. So easy to get lost as the level of deception is unbelievable but I guess, in the end you have to make your own mind. Let this work be your help, chapters from 10 to 19 contain detailed physic sufficient to, in my opinion, prove forgery.

http://www.jewishracism.com/SaintEinstein.pdf