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Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Bl0ke91 on Fri 26 Aug - 14:28:34

A couple of days ago I had a discussion with mickw about why the AAS server is empty most of the time and fails seeding.
I prefer AAS over Insurgency, mainly because of the fair balance. Being blufor is great but insurgency always lacks teamwork, good weapons, etc.
I guess it is a matter of preference, that's why I think it is time for a Poll: What is your favorite game type?
If everyone here loves insurgency I am fine with that but I would like to know who else misses playing AAS.

Fact is, the AAS server is empty most of the time so maybe something should change..
I heard mickw say that the AAS server maybe should be changed to a combo Insurgency/AAS server next to the dedicated Insurgency server, I personally don't think this is the right solution because this would make it a second rank alternate server.

I would like to hear what your opinion is on the matter.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by kerrermanisNL on Fri 26 Aug - 14:35:51

I personally love insurgency, that's why I'm on that ins server all of the time.. I don't mind AAS or anything, but somehow I like the different play styles in insurgency.
Though I do have to say that I did like the switching of AAS and INS on the old server. Just to mix things up a little

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Bemetson on Fri 26 Aug - 14:43:36

At least people like to play on Jabal, Muttrah and Kashan. Guess there are a few "server killer maps"

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Nixy23 on Fri 26 Aug - 14:50:29

I actually see your arguments the complete opposite way. I think AAS lacks teamwork and interesting game play. It's always people whining about other people not doing their job, and "OMG NOB CRAZH HELI NUUUUB!" and "F*CK USELESS TANK KILL NME TANK NAOZOR!". Sorry, just not my thing.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by capitan on Fri 26 Aug - 14:55:04

I find AAS is only really good with a whole team cooperating, and finding two full teams to do this is rare (otherwise the good team just steamrolls the other - not fun, even if you're winning).

I almost always have a good time on the Insurgency server as having a decent squad is usually good enough to achieve something and have some fun.

I miss playing AAS, I enjoyed it when it was a couple INS then a couple AAS, but I have only joined AAS to help seed, when it was up, I left to play INS.

I think that running two biased servers might help the situation, enabling us to grow the community, without having two seperate communities (those that prefer INS or AAS).

tldr: INS is more fun with just intra squad teamwork - AAS requires inter squad tw and this is much rarer.

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by BXV-[Tr] on Fri 26 Aug - 15:08:06

Why AAS lacks teamwork is because of lots of teamworkers left it to play INS simply because its more fun . People see the AAS server more like a practice server and encourage from server's lack of admin support -even though i know ur doing ur best to keep it under admin control - . I do love playing AAS but it's kinda making me sad to watch it dying everytime .
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Danger_6 on Fri 26 Aug - 15:42:47

I personally prefer the AAS server; let's not get into this debate.

I think having the AAS server empty until ridiculous o-clock is just not on.

Money is paid to keep the server running, this seems quite a waste.

In my opinion it's clear that less people seed the AAS server, which is probably down to the fact that Insurgency is more popular within the clan.

I was going to make a thread about this today, but it looks like I have been beaten to it.

Maybe if insurgency players spend some of their time ensuring the AAS server has enough people on it, before they attend to their insurgency cravings, we could ensure that both servers are brimming with players.

I understand that people's primary objectives are to enjoy themselves.
Regardless, it would be nice to have a helping hand seeding AAS, seeing as it's part of the community.

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Tarranauha200 on Fri 26 Aug - 15:45:31

All hail AAS server

Calling air support on tank
Chasing Havoc with LB
Watching hellfires land on that t-shape
Insane firefights
CAS huey
Watching that missile flying to enemy tank
Figtning over bunkers
Tank batles
Etc...

Dont you miss that all?

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by capitan on Fri 26 Aug - 16:13:49

I do miss AAS, and did enjoy it most times. However, Im finding myself with less time to play at the moment, and kind of want guaranteed fun? Which I get with INS.

I also feel like AAS attracts the "asset whore" kind of player as well, when the two random clan guys create a locked asset squad and don't communicate with the team....I'm with Nixy on this one, MUCH better teamwork, and more interesting gameplay on the INS server! I like to play inf, and inf just isn't great on huge AAS maps (kashan zzzzzzzzzz)

The above are my personal reasons, but you've also got to remember, the overall PR community isn't huge, and how many of those do you think want to join an AAS only server?

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Tarranauha200 on Fri 26 Aug - 16:17:51

Is there then any chance of only keeping the server online on weekends only when there is lots of players around?

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by fillsson on Fri 26 Aug - 16:28:21

Insurgency is more mixed from round to round then AAS
I mean one round you're getting some teamwork up, cooperating with other squads to take down a cache but the same time trying to keep your squad and assets alive. Then on the next round you're a insurgent/taliban whos only concern is if he hit that apc or not with the rpg, and killing as much people as you can, not having to care how many times you die.
It's kind of like - Pressure, no pressure, pressure, no pressure and so on - you get the point.

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by deadly22sniper on Fri 26 Aug - 18:11:34

Danger_6 wrote:Money is paid to keep the server running, this seems quite a waste.

Now we have a dedicated box, the number of servers doesn't change the amount we pay.

I was thinking of suggesting our old INS/AAS mix on server 1, and non-US/UK maps on server 2 as I feel they don't get played as much.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Nixy23 on Fri 26 Aug - 18:16:11

It's all being talked through with the higher-ups, for as far as I know. Many suggestions have already been made and they are being talked about.

I'm positive we'll hear the results sooner or later.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Bemetson on Fri 26 Aug - 18:26:40

Kashan... good times... A-10 and Sniper.. good times...

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Bl0ke91 on Fri 26 Aug - 19:52:32

I think we can agree that everyone has a strong(er) preference for either AAS or INS so I don't think making a mixed server is going to make it better.
The real problem is that the AAS server needs to be seeded better.
Both servers were full today at 8PM, so I don't think the PR community is too small.

Both AAS and INS servers can successfully co-exist if there is a proper and balanced policy.
By this I mean more focus on seeding it, getting it to be attractive, for instance by playing only the popular AAS maps.
After 20 players have joined others will join rapidly, before you know it it is full! So there are definitely players who will join an AAS only server, it just has to be seeded.
BXV-[Tr] wrote:People see the AAS server more like a practice server and encourage from server's lack of admin support
capitan wrote:I also feel like AAS attracts the "asset whore" kind of player as well, when the two random clan guys create a locked asset squad and don't communicate with the team (...) and inf just isn't great on huge AAS maps (kashan zzzzzzzzzz)
With respect to the admins, I admire your commitment, maybe there should be a clearer policy to ensure the AAS teamplay to fix these problems..
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Nixy23 on Fri 26 Aug - 23:28:51

We can't force admins/members to play on the AAS server if they do not want to.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Stealthgato on Sat 27 Aug - 1:18:24

Well for a relatively long time we seeded and got the AAS server going today, and I must say I had much more fun playing Shijia Valley and Burning Sands once than playing Basrah 10 times.



I was thinking of suggesting our old INS/AAS mix on server 1, and non-US/UK maps on server 2 as I feel they don't get played as much.



Sounds pretty good to me.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by InFA~Bullet~ on Sun 4 Sep - 8:30:22

I'm really disappointed to see that there are INS maps on server 2. My clan played INS only in the first week of playing PR, while getting to know things around in game... I don't get it how experienced players could play that simple INS mode. I think it's ironic that people get this hard-core game and then play it simplified with INS... Go back to Counter-Strike then, or something where you can prove your individuality?
I really hope that *NwA* will change back things on mixed server.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by ivandobsky on Sun 4 Sep - 9:22:13

The problem with an AAS only server is primarily about filling it.

When the server is filling too many people are tempted to break the heavy assets rule because they are bored.

Similarly on a half empty server a few players can cap all the flags, unbalancing the game or even bringing it to a premature end, discouraging others from joining.

As an admin trying to seed AAS games is much harder than Ins. Building FOBs for example is the best way to help fill the server, but with AAS, players just seem to rush the flags or rape the FOBs. An admin is forever warning people not to do this or that - hardly conducive to smooth gameplay.
Ironically I have to kick players for continuously breaking rules when I am trying to get people to JOIN the server!

After a very long discussion we decided to include Ins maps for two reasons:

1: The insurgency server is often maxed out (so evidently Ins maps ARE the most popular) so players looking to join it now have the chance to play Ins maps on server 2. This helps populate server 2 and these players will often stay on for AAS maps once the server fills.

2. Like it or not, there is less potential for rule breaking on Ins maps. This makes it much easier to admin and hence more FUN for us to seed and play. Therefore more clanmembers and admins are now playing on server 2.

Unfortunately for some of you, I don't think we will be swapping back to an AAs only server in the near future - the simple fact that the server laid empty for much of the day speaks for itself: People don't want it....
However, threads like these are invaluable to us. Please keep up the suggestions coming thumbsup

On a personal note; I joined *NwA* because there was a strong Insurgency bias with the clanmembers at the time. I think this is still the case and therefore this will always be reflected in our map selections.

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Tarranauha200 on Sun 4 Sep - 10:09:42

Insurgency is unrealistic. Every time I find myself rushing the cache I think: "This is ridiculous, why cant we just bomb them with JDAM?"
I think that in IRL, if US would get 100+ death in few hours, they would fall back and use CAS.


This gamemode could be done more realisticly with conventional forces. Air support not availeble due to large amounts of AA weaponary.
There could be multiple different "caches". Blowing up a bridge, destroying hard drive that haves intel...etc.

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by ivandobsky on Sun 4 Sep - 10:31:37

Come on Tarra! What about all those poor innocents?

If we have proper coms & cohesion blufor can steamroller any Insurgency force....

Asymmetrical warfare rocks! fight

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Nixy23 on Sun 4 Sep - 12:13:10

Tarranauha200 wrote:Insurgency is unrealistic. Every time I find myself rushing the cache I think: "This is ridiculous, why cant we just bomb them with JDAM?"
I think that in IRL, if US would get 100+ death in few hours, they would fall back and use CAS.


This gamemode could be done more realisticly with conventional forces. Air support not availeble due to large amounts of AA weaponary.
There could be multiple different "caches". Blowing up a bridge, destroying hard drive that haves intel...etc.


Haha. Oh these must be the most terrible reasons ever, Tarra. Yeah, conventional forces wouldn't go looking for weapons caches, because they know they won't find any besides with pure luck. But 'getting 100+ deaths in a few hours' is a load of bullsh*t man. How about AAS then? Sending 14 year old kids that have played COD out in a tank, to fire HE shells at infantry. Or wasting several $30.000 costing Hydra missiles on a single infantry guy. Or a $68.000 Hellfire missile, just because we can. And not to mention.. in AAS you're also losing 100+ troops an hour trying to capture an objective. It's called a VIDEO GAME.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Tarranauha200 on Sun 4 Sep - 14:26:53

I have always been thinking that the battles in AAS are part of very large war. Something like WW3 where the commanders just dont care about money or losses.

And dont they waste Hellfires IRL too on some random cars?

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Jay Scott on Sun 4 Sep - 14:30:28

Its a game Tarra FFS!

@ Bullet PR Insurgency will never be anything like CS:SOURCE
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Stealthgato on Sun 4 Sep - 14:35:36

CS:S is more balanced :D
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Nixy23 on Sun 4 Sep - 15:00:45

Ooh, burn Razz
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by speedhound1-WYD- on Sun 4 Sep - 15:38:33

the iraq and afghanistan maps are quasi historical and should be taken as such.

read some nonsense hear about CAS etc very wrong, a large part of the work that was done in iraq and is being done in afghan is soldiers going out on foot to find intel and weapons, yes just like in PR.

insurgency is not a training mode of any sort, sorry but if thats your atitude then your missing exactly 50% of what PR is about.

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Bullet2Hart on Sun 4 Sep - 15:45:51

I Prefer Insurgency Simply because it's unique to PR.
If i wanted to play AAS i would choose another game that does it better.
I'm not saying i don't play AAS i do sometimes when i fancy a change, or when insurgency has a boring map cycle coming up.

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Robskiet on Sun 4 Sep - 15:58:04

I don't really mind.

I just don't like AAS that's COMPLETELY vehicle orientated.

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by deadly22sniper on Sun 4 Sep - 18:44:37

Robskiet wrote:I don't really mind.

I just don't like AAS that's COMPLETELY vehicle orientated.

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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Jay Scott on Sun 4 Sep - 21:29:45

The only AAS map i enjoyed playing was Dragon fly! there's afew others but Dragon fly is the best.

Dragon fly insurgency is not so gurd!
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Chris_Kampfgurke on Sun 4 Sep - 22:35:20

Tarranauha200 wrote:I have always been thinking that the battles in AAS are part of very large war. Something like WW3 where the commanders just dont care about money or losses.
And this is EXACTLY what they do.
If you ever had been to militaray you would know that commanders care about losses... and therefor, also about monney. For any inhuman stuff ask your government.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Tarranauha200 on Mon 5 Sep - 12:01:58

If you have to chooce beetween losing lot of money and men or getting your country invaded, which would you choose?

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Post by Nixy23 on Mon 5 Sep - 13:55:08

Option C: Carpet bombing.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by InFA~Bullet~ on Wed 7 Sep - 12:42:31

Few days later I can see that you didn't manage to get server 2 full, just the opposite, it's never full.

Seeing that people here even hate vehicles in PR makes me *facepalm*...
Really just a bunch of COD and CS players...
*Disappointed in PR community* ]:
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Jay Scott on Wed 7 Sep - 14:50:59

What the F are you chatting mate?
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Naytdawg on Wed 7 Sep - 17:22:58

alot of people this week have gone back to uni, kids back to school, work picking up, we work very hard to run 2 servers to cater for everyones tastes, your in a clan i asume, InFA? go get all your mates and bring them.

Please feel free to post what you would like to see done here at NwA, but remember, the world. does not. revolve. around single players.
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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Smurf_cfc on Wed 7 Sep - 23:49:40

i enjoy AAS more now due to my comp, it can run more AAS maps than INS. From what ive seen on NWA servers is that BOTH servers are full most of the time, as u all know there are enough players playing PR that have same love for AAS than people for INS and not all of them are "COD&CS type players" and they are looking for a decent server that can provide a good all round game.

I/we found it difficult to seed server 2 in the last couple of days, maybe due to what nayt said i.e uni/school/ etc but i dont think thats the case....my opinion.



its hard to get to the top but even harder being there i.e back in the day i used to be a regular on T&T(tactics and teamwork) great server and great community, its been a while so iam not 100% sure but they had 2 servers aswell, more members favoured the latter 1 server died they took it offline due to cost and with second after time u would be lucky to see it full 3/4 times a week, the rest is history......no more.



i do agree that all server2 needs is a bump start which would after take care of it self.



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Re: Insurgency or AAS Server

Post by Naytdawg on Thu 8 Sep - 8:46:31

Exactly, well after reading this hread yesterday I loaded up Pc and on my desktop is our game trackers... 62/64 and 62/64 it fluctuates, were also based in Europe now not Uk (server) so hopefully that pulls a few more accross the time zones
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